Tuesday, March 01, 2005

Hirsi Ali in court

Ayaan Hirsi AliToday there was a court case against parliamentary representative Ayaan Hirsi Ali. An Islamic foundation tries to get court orders to stop Ayaan Hirsi Ali from making “Submission Part 2”. Last year Hirsi Ali has said in an interview she is planning the sequel of “Submission Part 1”. Part 1 she made together with Theo van Gogh (RIP) and was about the maltreatment of Islamic woman. Part 2, she says, will be about how Islam suppresses the individuality.

But besides trying to stop her from making the sequel on Submission, the Islamic foundation is also asking the court to prohibit Ayaan Hirsi Ali from make any offending, insulting or blasphemous remarks about the Islam.

Their lawyer, Robert Moszkowicz says: “I don’t like discrimination”. He accuses Hirsi Ali of incitement, because he says she called prophet Mohammed a pedophile. But also her remark that Islamism is “very dangerous”, is unacceptable. Remarks like that together with the movie submission lead to excesses like the murder on Theo van Gogh.

Hirsi Ali her self says she thinks it is good that Muslim go to court to show their dissatisfaction. Her lawyer Germ Kemper said Monday, that she fears to win the court case. The willingness of Muslims to go to court will become less, if they get the impression it does not help. That possible paves the way to violence, said Kemper.

View Submission: here

Read here the reaction of other Dutch blogger zachtei. But more bloggers cover the story, for example Booker Rising (News site for black moderates and black conservatives).

Sources: Telegraaf, Nieuws


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I don't know about the law in the Netherlands, but in the U.S. the law is that "a statement is not libel or slander if it's provably true." Also, in the U.S., legal precedent holds that public figures cannot successfully sue for slander or libel. (They can try, I suppose, but they won't get anywhere.) President Bush, for example, has no legal recourse against people who claim that he is worse than Hitler.

I am not a lawyer, but I think the following definitions are accurate:

Slander is the crime of publicly speaking lies about someone. I think this includes statements made on radio or television.

Libel is the crime of publicly printing lies about someone in a book or newspaper or magazine, or on a sign or billboard, or on the Internet.

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sigh, I'm not gonna try to change peoples minds, obviously some of you think you've done your indepth research and have made up your minds, and can only see things from a western point of view, with western norms. I think the material was a bit tasteless. What happens in certain countries in the name is Islam is shameful. I think female circumsision is an atrocious act, however, the video itself was just more insutling than it was critical. I am a Muslim but I think female crcumcision is wrong, just flat out wrong, and to do it in the name of god when it really isn't required is worse. I think that Ali has her reasons and rights to speak against these actions, but in incedents like this the religion is being abused, and there is no reason to 'slander' it or the messenger who deleivered it. the actions she spoke against were cultural not religious, hopefully we can all keep that in mind. FYI, reports on the marriages of the prophet aren't as clear cut as they seem. the whole '9 year old' thing is heavily debated, and please don't judge forigne customs by western standars.


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Ahh..you'd read too much anti Mohamed webpages to do your research.

He married Aisha when she was 9, but did he have sex with her at that age? It was a custom still practised to these days to marry childrens at very young age (even between 1 yr olds), but that doesn't mean they will have sex at that age. Normally once the bride reached 16 or 17 they are assumed to be ready to hold responsibilities of a family. You should read how Aishah stayed with her own family and played with her childhood friends until she was a lot older.

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Fact of the matter is most of the cowardly murder terrorist who killed innocent people in America, were known to have filthy and indecent activities just prior to their last murderous acts.
Facts of the matter is they were all representing Islam's own.
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