3 Imams to be expelled (3)
Both Abou Tareq (41), a Bosnian national but who originally came from Sudan, and Mohammed Mahmoud (34) from Kenya say they have done noting that is not allowed by Dutch law. That is why their lawyer protests the ministerial decision to expel them.
“Yes we are Salafist”, they both admit, “if you mean by that that we want to go back to the original sources of Islam. But that does not mean we oppose Western society”. Both imams, who where invited by the mosque in 1996 and 1998 to come to the Netherlands, say that it would be ideal that the secular laws would be in accordance with the Islamic laws. “But that does not mean that you can impose those Islamic laws on the society. That is only possible by Democratic choice. This is in fact the same thing as orthodox Christians would want”.
The both deny that they have asked other Muslims to join the holy war, the Jihad. They both say that also somebody as Usama Ben Laden, does not have the right to call for the holy war against the West by giving fatwa’s. Tareq: “He does not have the authority, because he is not a expert. Usama Ben Laden has inflicted a lot of damaged to Islam.”
“But on the other hand”, adds Mahmoud, “Muslims are to often put in the corner with accusations that they are followers of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda”. Tareq: “The AIVD [Dutch intelligence service] was never able to register any thing unlawful here, although they eavesdrop the whole mosque including all phone lines”.
Abou Tareq graduated at the Islamic university of Khartoum in Sudan and later studied English in Bosnia. His colleague studied on the Islamic university of Medina in Saudi Arabia and later at the university of Pretoria, South Africa. Both are seen in the Islamic community in the Netherlands as experts [the newspaper says], who because of their knowledge of Islam are in high regard.
Both say they received threat letters from Moslems, who see them as accomplice of the AIVD. “Thus the AIVD is going to expel it’s own staff” say the imams laughing. Abou Tareq tells about the times he called for calm under his followers. When three years a go the tension between Israel and Palestine escalated, a young Muslim in England stabbed a Jewish woman. “That is not allowed by Islam, that is what we told at the time. You’re not allowed to be your own judge”.
Even longer a go, in 1998, their was a visit in our mosque of two people who believed in the takfir. They think that only they represent the real Islam. All others they consider unbelievers. “I challenged them to have a discussion. I told them: it not in your hands to decide who is a real Moslem or not. But they did not want to debate it”, says Mahmoud.
Also the idea as if Muslims have the right to steal from the unbelievers and to obstruct Dutch government is according to Abou Tareq, not true. “You have to follow the laws of the country. Also stealing is not part of Islam”. The fact that youth people like the members of the Hofstad group think they can use violence, is based on totally wrong ideas about Islam, they both say. “Historic evidences does not show that you can solve problems with violence”, says Abou Tareq. “The AIVD and the politicians have a totally wrong idea about what the Islam is. They should let them selves get inform better by people who really know something about Islam” they both say. They offer to inform the AIVD about the Islam.
3 Imams to be expelled (2)
3 Imams to be expelled (1)
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Source: Eindhovens Dagblad