Chatting with terrorists
The 19-year old Jason Walters (American Jihad) a member of the Hofstad terror group was already preparing terror attacks in September 2003. At that time he had already made a hit list: prime minister Balkenende (CDA), Navo secretary general Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, ex-liberal leader minister Zalm (VVD), ex-LPF leader Mat Herben (LPF), the direction of the NMO (A Dutch subsidized Muslim broadcasting society), Ayaan Hirsi Ali and other prominent people..
More than a year before the murder on Theo van Gogh, the police raided on 17 October 2003 the house of Jason Walters and confiscated his computer with many chat logs. Jason Walters was arrested on suspicion of terrorist activities, but they could not make the case stick and had to release him.
They have an enormous amount of chats in his justice file. They all look like this chat Jason had on 22.10 September 28, 2003 (Jason is Mujaheed, chat is translate from Dutch):
webamier: "Are you going to run out on your brother?"
Mujaheed: "Hey listen, I will NEVER run out on my brothers for a woman. As I told you I have such high standards for a woman, I will not find them here. I will only marry a woman who wants to come with me, their is no other way."
webamier: "If that's the case, you can better marry their"
mujaheed: "We can't marry there, we are going there to become martyrs and to marry in paradise with 70 nice virgins"
webanier: "There are 72 not 70"
webamier: "It's hard to be steadfast on the way to Allah to die. You know, the pain, and things like that and if I get a punch I already think, please stop, and things like that, but that is nothing compared to Jihad"
mujaheed: "Don't talk so stupid, you did not even had 1 day training. NOW you are soft like a mandarin, but later... So hard wie Kruppstahl"
webamier: "Yet I noticed with you"
mujaheed: "Like what?"
webamier: "You where tough, tougher then last time"
mujaheed: "I only trained for a month"
webamier: "You where just that tough"
mujaheed: "I had finished the basic training. I lost a lot of wait, don't you think? About 25 kg."
Planet Internet news and Nova TV now have access to these chat log file's. The logs make clear how dangerously Jason Walters is. On 10 November, more than a week after the slaughter of van Gogh, police tried to arrest Jason Walters together with Ismail A. in the Antheunisstraat in Den Haag (Laakkwartier). But the initial raid failed and they where arrested at the end of a day long raid that shook the Netherlands. In the initial raid Jason threw hand grenades to the police, the police was unprepared and got hurt. After that, all anti terror units of The Netherlands where send to the Antheunisstraat in Denhaag. It sure looked like as if the police panicked.
Besides that the police could have known of his violent Jihad background, they had over heard a phone conversation Jason Walters made right after the murder of Theo van Gogh in which he said: "We have conform the authentic Islamic way, slaughtered the lam." (See: Murder Trial Theo van Gogh for more).
On September 19, 2003 at 16.08 says "mujaheed" (alias Jason Walters) to "galas03" that he first must install the encryption software. Only after that "we can talk about J. ". "J" is their code for "Jihad". In the chat "galas03" says he is from Egyptian decent. On 16.26 they start their encrypted chat:
Galas03: "Ok say, what's up? Are you going to Afghanistan?"
Mujaheed: "agie, I am just back"
Galas03: "Or do you want to decapitate Balkenende?"
Mujaheed: "Where do you think I was all that time?"
Galas03: "Your joking?"
Mujaheed: "Uhm, I can't say I was to Pakistan to be receive training or can I?"
Galas03: "Get serious! Really?"
Mujaheed: "On Allah, what do you think? I got my basic training their, an I will go back Inshallah, but now I am send back by the people there, Visa problems, but in the time in between I will recruit as many boys I can to send them their inshaAllah"
Galas03: "I am speech less"
Mujaheed: "Do you also want to go?"
Galas03: "I am first going to study in Saudi Arabia, for a walk around the block"
Mujaheed: "Walk? Your crazy eula"
Galas03: "What's the matter? I don't think my parents let me go :s I will go under the cover of study"
Mujaheed: "aha :D but you go for sure agie if needed I take you by ears with me"
Galas03: "but did your parents knew it?"
Mujaheed: "no I was to England, just like I told you Italy"
Galas03: "oh, but I want to go to England, there is abou hamza and people from alqaida"
Mujaheed: "I know, but you don't have any freedom, come with me to pakistan there they will train you, how to use guns, how to make weapons, just everything after that you can return"
Galas03: "can you now handle guns?"
Mujaheed: "and go to england to slaughter blair?"
Mujaheed: "yes agie"
Galas03: "Did you behead a few americans?"
Mujaheed: "seminov, kalshnikov, MMG, zakayev, TT pistol, Makarov, hand grenades en rpg those I all learned."
Mujaheed: "I can assemble and disassemble a kalasnikov blind folded, also a seminov and all the other pistols and rifles"
Galas03: "Is shooting difficult?"
Mujaheed: "No way man, it is not that hard. I even had to roll over with a pistol and then shoot and that went all right, praise allah" Galas03: "How did you go, with Pakistan airlines or something?"
Mujaheed: "yep" (16.40)
In the next part of the chat session, Jason Walters wants permission from Imam Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven. Abdul-Jabbar is a Dutch convert (from real Dutch parents) who is a traveling imam. In a TV shows, right after the murder on Theo van Gogh, he said that he hoped that Geert Wilders would die soon. But he added, that should not be seen as a threat (he got away with it). Again Jason Walters as "Mujaheed":
Galas03: "hey agie can you do something for me, just say it"
Mujaheed: "you have to go to jabbar"
Galas03: "I will see him today InshaAllah at the lesson"
Mujaheed: "Go and ask him if it is here allowed to slaughter the unbelievers and/or to steal their possessions"
Galas03: "He has said about it, see it this way: the government, ministries, police etc., their blood and possessions is halal [we can take], because they openly declared war to the islam, but before you do something you have to think twice about what will happen with the islamic community."
Mujaheed: "OK djazaak Allah. This is the fatwa needed. Now I can slaughter every police, minister, soldier, officer etc. And robe them"
Galas03: "But it is halal and even more clear ke gets rewarded" (unclear Dutch)
Mujaheed: "Robe all banks. Subhaan Allah, halal robbing a bank."
Galas03: "I don't know, aghie"
Mujaheed: "Halal robe the town hall, Allahu Akbar, I have some people of my dead list, they will certainly die :D"
Mujaheed: "i will first get hassenats for it Aallahu Akbar"
Mujaheed: "you will soon hear it on the news sahbie"
Galas03: "you terrorist?"
Mujaheed: "what to think of hirsi ali, jaap de hoop scheffer, matt herben, balkenende, zalm and all those fake muslims in the political parties, the directorate of the Dutch Moslim broadcaster"
Mujaheed: "slaughter them all"
Galas03: "it is an idea an then make a movie. say Bhhhooe and everybody is scared"
Mujaheed: "beheading from the MP on video, that's relaxed :d"
After this chat, "Galas03" has had his meeting with Imam Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven. That same evening on September 19, 2003 they chat again in the chat box at 22.39:
Galas03: "assalamoe aleikoem"
Mujaheed: "wa aleikum salaam we br. agie how was the lesson?"
Galas03: "J" (short for Jihad)
Mujaheed: "Relaxed is it not to talk safely J"
Galas03: "Yessssssssss, jihaad, but ok. I asked about bank. bank is not allowed"
Mujaheed: "As long as my characters are green it is safe, red means unsafe"
Galas03: "because it is not from the ministry"
Mujaheed: "Blue is also safe"
Galas03: "So, I am unsafe?"
Mujaheed: "Thus, only government institutions. Just say green is safe blue=safe"
Mujaheed: "Red = unsafe"
Mujaheed: "But tell me, what is all allowed?"
Galas03: "ministries, police, government"
Galas03: "Yep" (Yes)
Galas03: "ME" (Riot police)
Mujaheed: "municipality office? aha"
Galos03: "fire-brigade allahoe a3lam"
Mujaheed: "all government institutions"
Galos03: "municipality office I don't know either allHOE A3LAM"
Mujaheed: "municipality office is government on a municipal scale local scale D we are going to loot the financial ministry and your also allowed to fraud and all with taxes"
Galos03: "Yep" (Yes)
Mujaheed: "haha :D right on!"
Galos03: "he told me today something that it is best that you whish hidaya for your enemies. he says he wishes for sharon and bush to become muslim"
Mujaheed: "Yeah, that's right and otherwise just slaughter them L-p"
Mujaheed: "and hamas?"
Galos03: "he says: 11 - September is ok sheik bin laden is ok Taliban ok and hamas masha Allah they have the honor to fight against the pigs and the apes"
Mujaheed: "d I (L) AjvdV" (???)
Galos03: "J" (Jihad)
Mujaheed: "but does he say to people that when you live here you have to live according to the rules?"
Galos03: "If it is not against islam, yes"
Mujaheed: "some say that if you live here you have to live totally according to the constitution. what does he say"
Galos03: "No only when it is against Islam"
Mujaheed: "I see and what does he say that you should make dahwah and not jihad?"
Galos03: "Thus as the government says to the people no more salaah, that goes to far... Allahoe A3lam is what he says about those people"
Mujaheed: "and as the government says no more jihaad? Is that to much?"
Galos03: "I did not ask, I will ask him tomorrow"
But this is not enough for Jason Walters He wants to hear the imam Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven him self. He visits him on 21 September 2003 in a mosque in the city of Almere. A day later, September 22 15:29, Jason Walters again as "Mujaheed" has the following conversation in the secure chat box, now with an un identified "Khb":
Mujaheed: "Salaam aleikum, agie do you know the name of the young sheich"
Mujaheed: "(O you disbe: wa 3alaykoem asalaam"
Mujaheed: "Who recite the quran"
Khb: "what young sheigh mohammed barak"
Mujaheed: "at islamway.com djazaak Allah"
Khb: "How was your conversation with abdel Jabbar van de Ven"
Mujaheed: "Elhamdulillah [Praise to Allah], very good. He says that the blood and possessions of the government is halal [ours]. We may rob the government, state, army, military police, police and all other government institutions."
Khb: "Are you sure?"
Mujaheed: "Yep 100%, and one other thing"
Khb: "And what authority did he refer to?"
Mujaheed: "There was a man with the name Ibrahim bayrak who spoke as well and the one you say" (unclear dutch)
Mujaheed: "a ruler who does not use sharia but recognizes the sharia stays a muslim, the same with people who do not pray. But Abd. does not agree and I don't either. He says their are now a days many murjia even with the great authorities. Mirjia is the opposite of takfir"
Khb: "And what does he say about Bin Baaz rahimoeAllah"
Mujaheed: "I did not ask, I did not had that much time"
Khb: "He normally uses his fatwa's as well"
Mujaheed: "He said that authorities who accepted bribes should not be listen too and they are outside the faith"
khb: "Allahoe 'Ehlem. " (15.35)
But Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven says he did only met Jason three times. And that he did not really know him. He declared in a letter to Nova TV that he would not say the things they accuse him of to a stranger. Because he would then, unnecessary harm his family, students and the mosque where he teaches. He would also not say it to his friends, a Moslem is not allowed to create chaos. I am not in a position to give fatwa's on current affairs and I never said I was. He says he received e-mail from the Hofstad group, but that he is a know figure and he does not know them. He knew they existed but that was all.
He also says he remembers a person who could be "Gallas03", a fourteen year old boy who asked radical questions, for that he had send him away.
American Jihad (Jason Walters)
Picture during Jason's arrest (ough!) (external link)
Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven publishes on: Imaan, al-islaam
Galas03: Al-Jihaad reaction Marokko comunity forum, Jihad message Islaam-online forum, About unbelieve Islaam-online forum, profile at Islaam-online forum
Sources: Planet Internet, Nova TV, Chat sessions transcript